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Calendar Issues
For those who follow a conjunction based calendar, we generally use the day in which conjunction happens in Jerusalem as the first day of the month.
This means that if the conjunction happens in Jerusalem at 30 minutes prior to sunset, we are declaring the whole day previous as part of the new month. We do this in spite of the technical fact that the 23hrs and 30 minutes were actually part of the old month.
For many this has not been a problem, as we have generally taken an "X" (conjunction) 'marks the day' approach. If we applied this paradigm to how we calculate the beginning of the year - we would be taking the month in which the Equinox happens.
It recently became an issue for me when Pete Dreste pointed out that we were not using the same method for determining the beginning of the year as we were for determining the beginning of the month. Pete thought we should more diligently examine how we start the beginning of the year. So we did. The conclusion we came to was that taking the month (conjunction) on or after the Vernal Equinox was the appropriate method. We reached this conclusion in part because the alternative of taking the conjunction closest to the Vernal Equinox could have resulted in Sukkoth occuring in the summer.
For me, this still left the issue that Pete had originally brought up, which was the differing methods of determining the start of the year, and start of the month.
It is important that we use just weights and measures, and that we do not modify our methods to support our own ideas or customs.
With this in mind, I saw that we were using the Vernal Equinox as a delineator event in a time line. At or after the event occurs, we then take the next full month as the starting of the year.
If we were to apply the same weights and measures we just used to determine the beginning of the year. We would use the conjunction as our delineator event in the timeline to determine the first day of the new month. At or after the event occurs, we then take the next sunset (next full day) as the starting (first day) of the new month.
This reckoning brings consistency in the way we understand and apply YHWH's calendar.
To summarize, we have two paradigms:
1: On or After a significant event.
2: Significant event occurs within time period (X marks the time period).
A third paradigm could be:
3: Proximity - taking the delineator event closest to a significant event.
Currently, my understanding is that we should be using #1 only.
Two very relative questions:
Should we wait for the next Conjunction after the VE to declare First Month of year?
Should we wait for the next Sunset after the conjunction to declare the First Day of the Month?
Myself and several others would like any feedback/input as to why we should use ONE, or the OTHER - or Two, or Three?
Thanks,
Brian
Calendar Reckoning regarding 30AD
Submitted by Brian on Sat, 2007-11-03 22:03.
I wanted to make a comment that one of the objections to changing to this method has to do with the 30AD Crucifixion theory.
It goes like this: For a Wed crucifixion (using the other calendar method) 30AD seems to fit.
The problem that I see is that the conjunction that is taken in this scenario happens 4hrs BEFORE the Equinox.
Luke 3:1 also seems to make 30AD unlikely because Tiberius' reign started in September 14AD (makes Yahshua's baptism in 29-30AD)
After noticing this, I also noticed that there are many crucifixion theories out there, and each one chooses different data to create a crucifixion that fits their theory.
One other comment - while I am convinced that the crucifixion most likely happened on WED, it is hardly a clear cut stone fact on which to build doctrine.
YHWH Bless you as you seek His will, Shalom, Brian
I think that perhaps ... the
Submitted by sstidham on Wed, 2008-01-09 10:22.
I think that perhaps ... the crucifixion happened between 42AD and 46AD ... only in two years within that period of time had it to fall on wednesday.
Look it up on Nasa's calendar thing.
Sam
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Should we wait for the next Conjunction after the VE to declare First Month of year?
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Consistant Reckoning
I agree with #1. It seems that we must wait for the next conjunction after the VE and thus we must wait for the next sunset AFTER the conjunction to be conistant.
I agree that we should use the conjunction time in Israel since the law goes forth from Zion and the word from Jerusalem.
This allows consistancy just as we observe Shabbat...we simply wait for the time to get to us.
And logic and consistancy keeps us honest in our reckonings.